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  • […] eye on other players in the business networking space (as you’ll know if you’ve read our piece on Ecademy recently) and I was privy to a presentation from LinkedIn last week on future product […]

  • 2. thestuarte  |  18/11/2009 at 5:04 pm

    I’ve been a member of Ecademy since December 2004 and ran BlackStar membership from during 2005 and into 2006. During that time we had an impressive and enthusiastic new member who engaged extensively with other members. However, a third party alerted me to some suspicious behaviour that gave me serious cause for concern so, after investigating further and consulting with Ecademy management, I took the necessary measures.

    This was before the verified system came in, but I had actually spoken with this person and he was most certainly who he said he was. If he had been a bit smarter, he would have kept a lower profile. There were/are other Ecademy members, including BlackStar level members, who are virtually inactive; some could conceivably be fake, but they’re unlikely to be rumbled unless/until they become active. However, if they’re not active then they are not likely to pose a risk to other members.

    There is one person in particular who maintains several “sleeper” accounts on Ecademy so that he can sniff around from the inside, since he was expelled from Ecademy a while back.

    Virtually any system, including top-security systems, can be infilltrated by determined intruders and the person concerned is most certainly very determined. To my knowledge he’s one of the remaining few, if not the last, who regarded Ecad-hacking as a worthwhile pass time. From the behaviour I have observed he is determined to ridicule Ecademy and its members.

    To my knowledge, the VSN system doesn’t require existing paid-up members to pay any extra. And it goes without saying that any con artist worth their salt will have no trouble coughing up the money.

    The VSN system is just the latest attempt by Ecademy to keep the hostiles at bay. Like most things on the Internet it’s trial and error.

  • 3. wecandobiz  |  18/11/2009 at 6:07 pm

    We may well know the same person Stuart. Certainly my fake account, now deleted, was not the only one there as, predictably, a few people stepped forward and pointed me to other fake accounts they’d created proudly showing Account Verified badges. One was a verified BlackStar. The reduced fee of £40 for BlackStar upgrades makes verifying a BlackStar profile even more easily accessible now.

    I can accept that it was only ever going to be unlikely that Ecademy had invented a fool proof way of proving web identity, a challenge that has thwarted the banks forever. My issues was more around the suggestion that Safe Networking Account Verification was ANYTHING more than taking £5 and issuing a sticker. It took reading the small print to discover that “verification cannot be regarded as any sort of guarantee or warranty given by Ecademy about an account holder, the use of the account, the identity of the account holder” — this is the very thing I think people believed they WERE getting through the system.

    Nick Gendler says this himself in his blog article today that I reference in my update at the top of the page.

    The problem is that if you imply trust by issuing stickers without really checking, you encourage Ecademy members to trust the profiles where they see the badges. I don’t doubt there are few fake accounts now then there were, but I see a big problem with those that exist never getting questioned because they passed all the tests. Now Ecademy is looking after the authenticity of people’s identity, I think its users will be less likely to make checks themselves.

    Ian Hendry
    CEO, WeCanDo.BIZ

  • 4. jimwade  |  18/11/2009 at 6:27 pm

    “I thought I’d done Ecademy a service but it would seem they take an opposing view”

    Banning anyone who points out shortcomings or inaccuracies in what they tell the world is typical of the behaviour of these people and their lackeys.

    Open Random and Supportive, my arse! Smug Arrogant and Hypocritical is more like it.

    Their “Safe Networking” system doesn’t work but, rather than do something about it, they bluster on and make people like you, Ian, the bad guys. Chuck him out, head back in the sand!

    The really incredible thing is that a growing mass of people over there buy the bullshit, even down to parroting the meaningless babble about a New World Order. It really is like a cult – highly amusing but a bit scary.

  • 5. Sarah Arrow  |  18/11/2009 at 6:45 pm

    Ian, I am sorry to hear that you have had to sacrifice yourself to save money from being scammed from unsuspecting members of Ecademy.

    With it being ‘Stay safe in cyberspace’ week you would think that the worlds oldest social network would behave in a more ethical manner. This is the kind of behavior you would expect from a banker, not Penny Power! Bullying their members with so called fake accounts and safer networks is a wicked thing to do.

    Back in the summer Penny Power was saying she advocates other networks and Linkedin to go this way, thankfully they didn’t and behave in a consistently honest and decent manner.

  • 6. jimwade  |  18/11/2009 at 6:52 pm

    “… a few people stepped forward and pointed me to other fake accounts they’d created proudly showing Account Verified badges. One was a verified BlackStar”

    So, if I understand correctly, there’s definitely at least one fake BlackStar with a Nice Safe Green Tick next to his/her name?

    What a farce!

    There’s mention above of someone out to ridicule Ecademy; seems to me the management do a pretty good job of self-ridicule.

  • 7. Sarah Arrow  |  18/11/2009 at 7:50 pm

    @Jim – far easier to blame others than to accept that they are less than perfect. Look what they have done to their more active members of the years. Only Monday they told Ecademy Spain that the reason people are not so active is to do with branding and acting cliquey. Nothing more cliquey than Blackstar is there?

  • […] getting it verified with the Safe Networking Account Verified sticker within a matter of minutes.  I blogged about it and the profile was removed the next day. Fake Michel Souris profile on Ecademy (click to […]

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